Is “Cheap” Factory Ammo Really A Good Deal?

Some things in the firearms world have gotten ridiculously inexpensive over the past couple of years.  Sure some products have experienced yo-yo pricing due to supply and demand driven pricing but others have dropped and seem to have, for the time being, stayed down.  The “modern sporting rifle” or AR15 is one such item and 9mm ammunition is another.  9mm ammunition is important when we discuss reloading because so many shooters are buying 9mm handguns and carbines for competition and self-defense.  One of the draws for new shooters is that they can grab off the shelf ammo in 9mm and go out to shoot for a very low cost.  Some factory offerings are showing up for 14 cents per round.  On the surface this looks like a great deal but once we really start to delve into the practicality of this approach the flaws in the plan begin to reveal themselves.

The various goals that drive a reloader to choose specific components are as numerous as the types of shooting sports and activities.  The point is that reloading allows you to build the perfect cartridge to help you achieve your shooting goals and it does so at an attractive price point.  Can factory ammo do that?  Sure, a lot of the time, but to get what you want you are very likely going to have to spend a lot more money and, in some circumstances, you’ll be sacrificing something just for the sake of convenience.

First up is the issue of quality.  Odds are that the 14 cent per round factory ammo isn’t built of high end components.  At this price point the ammo is frequently built around steel or aluminum cases, both of which have problems, and the projectiles are often bi-metal jackets or just plain, uncoated, lead.  Will these components work?  Sure and there are probably fans of some of these less costly factory offerings who will defend it with their last breath if you dare talk bad about their beloved cartridges.  The point here is that while it can work it may not perform up to your expectations.

You might think the next point is price but it isn’t.  The next point is actually versatility.  When you buy factory ammo, especially the lower priced offerings, you are giving up the control you would have had if you had either made or purchased cartridges that were produced to perform in a specific way.  For example if you buy good defensive ammo you can almost always guarantee that a low flash powder was used in order to reduce muzzle flash and preserve your night vision.  These same sorts of powders are also very popular with competitive shooters who find themselves in low light situations at indoor ranges or shooting night matches.  Conversely a shooter with a compensated pistol, like those used in USPSA’s Open Division, might want a powder that generates sufficient gas to make the comp work and keep that red dot sight on target throughout the recoil cycle.  These shooters can almost never get what they want out of factory ammo unless they go to specialty makers who cater to their needs.

Finally we get to the root of the problem; cost.  At the time of this writing there were several retailers offering factory loaded ammunition at 14 cents per round.  That’s a price point that is very attractive to a lot of shooters but is it the best price?  Well if we use good components and reload our own ammo we can beat that price with a cost of 10 cents per round.  How can we do that?  The big thing to keep in mind is that we are reusing our brass and brass is a big portion of the cost to produce a cartridge.  Factoring in brass as a reusable component that is subject to wear and loss isn’t too tough if we divide our brass cost by 10 when doing our cost calculations.  This allows for loss and wear while still respecting the fact that for most of us brass isn’t free.  If you scrounge the range for free brass you can reduce the cost to zero if you like but the 1/10th trick has worked really well for us.

Another way to look at brass cost begins with the fact that most reloaders started out buying factory ammo and then, at some point, became reloaders.  During that transition many people begin saving the brass from their factory ammo so they have a nice supply of it when they finally take that next step into reloading.  For these reloaders the brass isn’t really free but it sort of feels free and is still reusable many times over in most instances.

The other way we’re saving money is by buying components in bulk.  Buying in bulk can drop the price significantly on primers, projectiles and powder.  Bulk buying also guarantees that we’ll have the components we need on hand when we’re loading up our next batch of ammo.

So now we’re talking about 10 cents per round instead of 14 and we’ve got ammo that we setup to perform the way we like.  I can hear some of you saying “4 cents, that isn’t saving very much!”  Isn’t it?  Well if you don’t shoot much 4 cents isn’t a lot of money for sure.  If you do shoot even a modest amount that 4 cents adds up pretty quickly.  Let’s say you shoot one local USPSA match per week and that the match has 120 required hits.  Then we get into reshoots, makeup shots and all the rest of the ammo consuming fun that goes on at matches and, if we follow the rule of thumb to bring 50% more than we think we’ll need, we end up needing 180 rounds for each match.  Shooting that match every week means you’ll need 720 rounds in a typical month or 9360 rounds per year.  At 10 cents per round that match costs us $936 per year in ammunition.  If we use factory ammo that same match costs 40% more at $1310 per year.  That’s $374 more than we would have spent to reload and that’s just for one little weekly match with no allowance for actually getting out and practicing or any of the other shooting that you are bound to do in a years’ time.  We know a lot of you shoot a great deal more so the savings from reloading are even greater than this simple example provides.

There is one final issue to deal with in this conversation and that is the amount of time you’ll spend reloading.  With a Dillon Precision progressive reloader, like the XL 650 you can load around 800 rounds per hour.  That means your match ammo for the month is done in less than 1 hour.  At the end of that hour you’ve saved money and made better ammo as well.  Not too bad for an hour.

In the end it is important to note that no one is questioning your choices or judgement here.  We’re talking about your time and money and how you choose to spend them is 100% your decision; we respect that.  We just hope you’ll see our point that “cheap factory ammo” isn’t the bargain that it might appear to be on the surface.  If not, that’s fine too; we hope you enjoy your shooting as much as we enjoy ours.

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Give Dad A Library Card?

Father’s Day is fast approaching  (it’s Sunday, June 17th for those of you who forgot and are about to start a panicky search for the perfect gift) and Dillon Precision may just have what the dad in your life wants.  Sure a Super 1050 would be nice but if we are talking about more of a necktie and bottle of Aqua Velva budget then maybe we should change up our search parameters.  As part of our large catalog of top quality reloading machines, firearms parts  and accessories and shooting related gear Dillon Precision also carries some really handy books.  Sure you can find pretty much anything on the internet or you could whip out the old library card and go down to your local branch looking for the information you need but who has time for that?  I know I don’t.  Why spend hours searching through articles or charts full of load data when you can have it all right at your finger tips?  Why read some internet commando’s opinions about the best shooting gear and techniques when you could be reading articles written by true experts in their field?  The Lyman reloading manuals that we carry give you all of those things and more and you don’t even need a library card to enjoy them.

Precision Rifle Shooting is the hottest new shooting sport in the USA.  Just like all the other “gun games” out there you can probably show up with the gear you have and participate but to really be competitive you’ll need to dial in your loads and you’ll probably be buying a lot of new gear and guns just to play the game.  Why not give yourself a head start with Lyman’s Long Range Precision Rifle Reloading Handbook?  This book is full of load data for all the popular cartridges used in Precision Rifle, and articles by top shooters and industry experts.

If you’ve graduated from shooting the budget shells from your local big box store and you need to tune your shotshell loads to give you the edge in the field or on the sporting clays course then Lyman’s Shotshell Reloading Handbook has all the information you need.    This in depth resource covers all of the components from wads, cases and primers to the most current powders and shot.  There’s even a section covering Non-Toxic loads with data, loading instructions and articles on the subject.

Maybe long guns aren’t your thing and you’d prefer to spend your time  perfecting your handgun loads?  Lyman’s Pistol and Revolver Handbook has load data for all the most current powders and projectiles as well as the classics that fans of Cowboy Action Shooting use on the range.   In addition to those classic cowboy loads this manual offers data for modern big bore cartridges like 480 Ruger and 500 S&W. This is all topped off with articles covering varmint hunting, big bore loads and more.

For those of us who are generalists there is a lot to like in the Lyman 50th Edition Reloading Handbook.  Packed with a wide selection of cartridges, bullets, and powder from all of the major manufacturers this manual is the only data source that incorporates multiple brands throughout the entire manual.  Why hunt all over the internet to find that perfect combination of components when it’s all right here in one easy to read manual?  This is a must for any reloader’s library.

So whether you are searching for that perfect Father’s Day gift or you just need the best reloading data and shooting information at your finger tips we’ve got you covered.  Oh, and if you want to buy your dad that Super 1050 just click here to get started 😉







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SHOT Show Shotgun Showdown

Magazine fed shotguns are coming into the mainstream this year with pump action offerings from Mossberg and Remington to go with the somewhat more exotic offerings from companies like Kalashnikov USA.  In the past we’ve seen magazine fed shotguns but they were a niche market with few mainstream offerings and, for most consumers, they were just a bit too gimmicky to be relied upon.  Now major manufacturers are putting their weight behind these guns and we are sure to see more in the years to come.

Mossberg 590M

First up lets talk about the Mossberg 590M.  The 590 has long been a major contender for “Best Pump Shotgun Ever” and the 590M brings a double stack, 20 round, magazine to the already impressive feature list of this model.  Whats better is that the 590 magazine, which itself seems built like a tank, locks into the receiver very solidly with little to no movement.  Some might think this means it is finicky to lock in or difficult to master.  This couldn’t be further from the truth.  The magazine locks in just like any AK style mag would by hooking the front of the mag into the receiver and then rocking the mag back to lock it in.  Magazines are also available in 5, 10, and 15 shell capacities. 

The Mossberg 590M is definitely on the “want” list.  It is conceivable that a reliable magazine fed pump shotgun could beat quite a few less reliable semi-auto shotguns in competition shooting.  Sure pumping might be a little slower but a 20 round mag is a nice way to start off the stage and the smaller capacity mags might be perfect for reloading to slugs or buckshot on stages that require multiple types of shotgun shells.  Are there any 3-gunners out there considering this? 

The Mossberg 590 has been in use as a combat shotgun since 1960.  With such a long history the 590 will certainly lend itself to the law enforcement and military communities.

You can read more about this impressive shotgun on Mossberg’s site.  This video, also courtesy of Mossberg, provides an excellent overview of the guns function and features.

Remington 870 DM Tactical

Next up we have the Remington 870 DM Tactical.  While the magazine and it’s lockup were the heart of the Mossberg 590M they seem to be the downfall of the Remington 870 DM Tactical.  The magazine has a lower capacity, feels less “substantial”, and locks in a bit looser.  That last bit may not matter as long as the function is there but the lower capacity is going to be a bit of a problem for some people.  Couple that with the fact that the Remington magazine is a single stack, so any really big magazines that someone might make are going to be really long and unwieldy, and you have an even less desirable setup.

All that being said though the 870 hasn’t been around this long for no reason.  Legendary reliability and durability have kept the 870 going for around 68 years now and it’s fans are many.  The 870 DM Tactical does come with some nice XS Ghost Ring sights, a rail for mounting optics, and a “Tactical REM Choke” that looks a lot like a breaching choke.  So, while this gun may not make it onto a list of potential 3-gun shotguns, it is certainly well suited to law enforcement and military applications.

You can read more about the Remington 870 DM Tactical here.

Kalashnikov USA – Autoloading Tactical Shotgun, KS-12T

The Kalashnikov USA  KS-12T looks like what it is; an over-sized AK47.  That being said it looks like a well made shotgun with a smoothly operating bolt, decent (and also smooth) trigger, and a generally tight build that seemed of higher quality than most AK based shotguns I’ve held in the past.  With the factory 10 round magazines this gun could easily be a contender for 3-Gun competition use but it screams for a drum or other, higher capacity, magazine.  Optics can be mounted via the ubiquitous AK variant scope mount on the side of the receiver.  If this gun runs and is durable it should be a force to be reckoned with.  

You can read more about the KS-12T here.


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Check Engine Light For Your Press?

No we aren’t adding a check engine light to our presses but, just like your car, they do need regular maintenance to keep everything running at peak performance. Some of our users are pretty fastidious about things (you’ve seen them, they post pictures of their spotless reloading benches on the internet to make the rest of us look and feel bad) and they keep the press well lubed and clean. Then there are other users that come to us, or post to online forums, that they are having problems and they need help. Just like when you contact tech support for your computer and they tell you to reboot we are going to ask you some questions and one of those just might be “have you cleaned the press?” Quite frequently the response is “no, not really… when should I do that?” Well that’s where things can get complicated. The answer is “when it needs it” and that is because this can vary.

The environment the machine is in will make a big difference. A machine stored in a garage or shed will very likely need maintenance more often than one stored inside a climate controlled environment. You can tell a lot by look and feel. Dillon Precision reloaders require a certain amount of oil and grease to operate smoothly. If you check the appropriate area and there is no oil or grease, or very little, it is probably a good idea to freshen it up with a bit more lubricant.

The same holds true of debris on the press. If you can see a good amount of spilled powder, or bits of tumbling media that adhered to the lubed cases, then you should consider getting out the canned air, vacuum, or dust rags as appropriate and remove the fouling.

If a part on one of our consumer grade machines breaks we’ll take care of it but it never hurts to have spares on hand. That way you can replace the part immediately, call us for replacement, and then replenish your spare parts kit with the part we send. You can find spare parts and maintenance kits here:…

We also have knowledge base articles covering cleaning and maintenance for each machine. Just follow the links below to find the article for your machine:

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As always tech support is FREE so give us a call if you need help. Our number is 800-223-4570. If you are outside the US or just prefer to write you can reach us at

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Making the Right Choices

There is nothing worse than ordering a new item only to find out that you didn’t get everything you need when it gets there.  Reloading machines are definitely in the category of products that need supporting products to be useful.  Did you get all the caliber conversions you need?  What about a scale?  Dial calipers?  Even if you already have a lot of the tools you need it’s still a good idea to make sure you didn’t forget that one gadget that you just have to have to make it all work.

If you’re thinking about getting a reloading machine and need a little guidance as to what to get with the machine (it’s all about accessorizing, right?) we have interactive guides to help you make the right choices. Of course you can always call to talk to one of our helpful representatives at 800-223-4570 but if you would rather work through the process online before making your decision we have these interactive guides to help you.


Square Deal B Interactive Guide

RL 550C Interactive Guide

XL 650
XL 650 Interactive Guide

Super 1050
Super 1050 Interactive Guide

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Tactical Precision Rifle Shooting: A “New” Sport?

Not all positions are prone. This stage required shooting off a 550 cord out of a helicopter frame.

Using a tripod can stabilize a shooting position significantly

Tactical precision rifle shooting has been called the fastest growing “new” shooting sport in recent months, but competitions have been around since the mid-1990’s. Competitive tactical rifle matches back then usually had less than 40 competitors, focused on fundamentals of marksmanship, most competitors ran bolt-action rifles in .223, .308, or .300WM, and if there was a prize table, it was very small by today’s standards.

Floating platforms really drive home the fundamentals.

Rifle matches have definitely grown with current events hosting upwards of 150 competitors. The calibers have also adapted over time as ballistic coefficients improve. Nowadays most shooters participating in competitions around the country are using either 6.5mm (for example: 6.5×47 or 6.5 Creedmoor) or 6mm (6×47, 6XC, 6mm Creedmoor) variants. A majority of the top names in the sport reload their own ammunition to ensure they have the most accurate rounds possible. Depending on the caliber, you’ll find Sierra Bullets, Nosler, Berger Bullets, Barnes Bullets, and a variety of others on their reloading benches.

Originally, many of the stages or evolutions in early competitions took their lead from actual law enforcement and military sniper events. Tactical rifle matches were one of those outlaw shooting sports, like 3 Gun, that grew organically in the days before social media. As people gained interest, the match directors became more and more creative. We began to see a variety of props from boat platforms, simulated rooftops, barricades and shoot houses; basically any prop a match director could hammer together with left over 2×4’s in their garage over the course of a weekend. It’s not unusual to see targets anywhere from 7 yards out past 1,760 yards. Targets inside 100 yards are predominantly paper and could be a ¼” dot all the way up to a 5” shoot-n-c.

There are currently two national point series: the Precision Rifle Series (PRS) and the National Rifle League (NRL). Both points races have Finales at the end of the year to reward and recognize the best of the best. The Precision Rifle Series was created in 2012 by Rich Emmons and Kevin Elpers with the help of a group of their friends who all had the same goal in mind: making this style of precision rifle shooting more popular. Since then the PRS has continued to evolve and gain momentum each year. The Series changed ownership in 2015 and with that came many changes that have actually helped make that original goal attainable.

With CORE Shooting Solutions and K&M Precision Rifle Training Center both based out of the Southeast, the growth of the PRS in that part of the country has been fast and noticeable. Almost half of the bolt gun matches currently listed on the PRS website can be found in this part of the country as well as a very competitive field participating in local one day matches. The other half of the PRS matches are scattered around the country with several in Texas, Washington, and the Midwest.

Angled shots require adjustments to elevation holds

Starting with the 2016 season, the Precision Rifle Series added several different divisions. Some of those have continued into the 2017 season. Open division covers all competitors shooting a variety of calibers with no limit to their gear or optics. Basically, Open is a run-what-ya-brung division. The tactical division was created with military and law enforcement shooters in mind. That division is limited to .223 and .308 calibers only and has strict limits on bullet weight and muzzle velocity. The production division was designed with newer shooters in mind and has limitations on the cost of the factory rifle and optic. This year is the inaugural year of the PRS Gas Gun Series as well. It will be run in conjunction with the Bolt Gun Series, but scores are kept separate.

The season opener at CORE was dominated by Tyler Payne, who has shown to be quite a force behind both a bolt gun (he was the 2016 Overall Season and Finale winner) and a gas gun with his background shooting 3 Gun competitions and as a member of the United States Army Marksmanship Unit.

The Precision Rifle Series Gas Gun Series will have several divisions: Open, Heavy Tactical, and Light Tactical. Each division has rules governing what is allowed. The Precision Rifle Series has rulebooks for both the Bolt Gun and the Gas Gun series available on their website. Both the PRS Gas Gun and PRS Bolt Gun series have season rankings based on a shooters best three match scores. In the 2015 PRS Bolt Gun series season, a new tradition was started of reserving spots to recognize the top shooters in additional categories.  For 2017 those categories are Military/Law Enforcement, Ladies, Seniors, Juniors, and International Competitor Class. Essentially, it reserves a spot for the top three in each of those categories should they fail to qualify by points. Trophies are given at matches to the top finishers by points, the top military/law enforcement competitor, and occasionally to the top female competitor.

This the first year of the National Rifle League and is the brainchild of Travis Ishida, Ian Kelbly (of Kelbly’s Rifles) and Tyler Frehner. The NRL has six matches, scheduled predominately in the Southwest, with a Finale at the conclusion of the season. The NRL Finale will be held the weekend prior to the 2018 SHOT Show in Las Vegas. The NRL is a 501c3 non-profit that has stated education and continued growth of the sport are their main goals. This series uses a shooters best two scores for final ranking going into their Finale. One NRL specific award that deserves mention is the League’s Sportsmanship Award. Special recognition is made to one person at each of the events throughout the season for displaying exceptional sportsmanship throughout the course of the weekend-long competition.

Amazing scenery while engaging targets at distance

To participate in a one-day or two-day event, the minimum required equipment would be a rifle chambered in any caliber up to .30 caliber that is capable of consistently impacting a 1” dot at 100 yards, a scope with at least 10 power magnification, and ammunition. Many rifle manufacturers have taken notice of the tactical rifle community and have started making rifles specifically for the PRS/NRL crowd. Ruger Firearms has done a stellar job of making an affordable, accurate, right out of the box rifle with the Ruger Precision Rifle. They offer four different calibers. Last year they introduced the RPR in 6.5 Creedmoor and .308Win. New for 2017, Ruger added .223Rem and 6mm Creedmoor to their caliber choices. This was the rifle maker of choice for a majority of the PRS Production Division in 2016. At any competition around the country, you’re likely to see a variety of rifle manufacturers represented from Surgeon Scalpels to Accuracy International. If you have patience and some extra money, you could follow a lot of the bigger names in the sport and have a custom rifle built on the action of your choice. Surgeon Rifles, Defiance Machine, Stiller Precision Firearms, and Kelbly’s Inc. are just a few of the custom actions available for purchase.  There are lots of options when considering a custom build. A quality gunsmith can help guide a new shooter through the myriad of choices to fine tune what will work best for the shooter.

Depending on the match, improvised shooting positions can make up 20-40% of the course of fire.

Having a scope with a reticle and turrets that match (either Mils or MOA adjustments) is highly beneficial. What the shooter dials on their scope to compensate for elevation and wind should match what can be held using the lines in the reticle. Other long range shooting sports like F-Class and Palma may utilize minute of angle (MOA) adjustments, however a majority of the shooters in the both the PRS and the NRL use Mil’s (milliradians) because we need to make rapid adjustments under tight time frames. Unlike the BDC (bullet drop compensation) reticle predominately used in 3 Gun and hunting, precision rifle shooters benefit more from tactical style reticles like the Horus H59 or similar. Basically, the reticles used in tactical precision rifle shooting have a lot more information contained in them with the ability to confidently hold for both elevation and wind to make first round impacts at great distances. Each scope manufacturer has a variety of reticles to choose from in both MOA and Mil. In the end, it comes down to what the shooter will be more comfortable using because that will be the key to successful target engagements.

Anette Wachter using a tripod while engaging a target across a canyon

Quality ammunition is available for purchase, but most of the precision rifle crowd chooses to reload their own for competitions. There are two main beliefs behind reloading your own ammunition; it is cheaper to reload than to buy commercially available ammunition and the belief in greater accuracy with hand loads. Reloading allows the precision rifle shooter to fine tune their loads with higher BC (ballistic coefficient) projectiles with the rifle powder of their choosing which can lead to much more accurate rounds down range. When checked over a chronograph, hand loads tend to shoot much more consistent speeds that result in much smaller standard deviations (SD) and extreme spreads (ES) from round to round.

The next big question that comes up multiple times on every forum and group is what caliber to choose. For training, the folks you see on the top of the leaderboard are probably using .223Rem’s or .308Win’s so they don’t have to worry about shortened barrel life in their competition rifle. Because both of those calibers have extremely long barrel lives, they are perfect rifles to use for practice. Most 6mm and 6.5mm

barrels last between 2000-3500 rounds before they need to be replaced compared to over 10,000 rounds through a typical .308Win. The preferred cartridges in the sport tend to lean more towards 6mm or 6.5mm variants. The higher BC’s available combined with the velocity of these rounds make them softer recoiling options that buck wind better allowing for more consistent and accurate follow up shots than can be made with a .308Win or .300WM.

That’s the lowdown behind competitive tactical precision rifle shooting. The sport is still heavily grassroots, but as it gains popularity more and more local ranges will start holding club level matches. As previously stated, many of these matches borrow from law enforcement and military engagements, but also could be helpful for hunters looking to fine tune their long range skills. You’d be hard pressed to find a more helpful group of shooters as all are more than willing to loan gear, help with questions, and walk a new competitor through stages.

About the author

Regina Milkovich is a competitive rifle shooter, trainer, writer and blogger. She picked up her first rifle in 2009 and started shooting competitively the next day. Regina’s held the title of top lady in the Precision Rifle Series since the creation of the PRS in 2012. Regina has won many state-level precision rifle competitions in the Southwest and is the only female to win a national-level Precision Rifle Series competition when she took 1st place overall at the NorCal Tactical Bolt Rifle Challenge in April 2016. She has worked in police communications for almost 20 years and is currently the Communications Supervisor of a police department in a suburb of Phoenix, AZ. When she’s not practicing, competing or working, she’s mentoring newer shooters who’ve taken an interest in long range shooting.

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Over the years I’ve shot a variety of revolvers and most of them have been stamped as being a .357 Magnum.  I don’t play games that require “Magnum” loads so I generally shoot something shorter with a reduced power loading that is easier on the hands and the wallet.  Lately the go to loads have been in Short Colt cases.  The cases are just a bit bigger than a 9mm with a rim on it and they go in and out of my S&W 627 easily.  So far I haven’t noticed any problems but I have heard many a wise old sage posit that there will be a deleterious impact upon accuracy due to the vagaries of “bullet jump.”  Bullet jump is the bullets leap across the vastness of the cylinder as it leaves the case and makes its journey towards the chambers throat.  I picture Evel Knievel attempting to jump the Snake River Canyon when I think of this.  There is my bullet poised upon the precipice, eager, ready to face an uncertain future.  It didn’t work out for Evel Knievel, I’m hoping my bullets have better luck.

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38 Short Colt case and cartridge next to 38 Special case and cartridge

Okay, enough dramatic humor.  It’s pretty obvious that I think “bullet jump” is a bunch of hooey.  At least as far as accuracy out of my revolver is concerned.    I understand that there may be different forces at play when we are discussing rifle accuracy and the distance off of the rifling.  For this test we are talking about a .38 Special at 1.155” vs. a .38 Short Colt at .765 case length.  Sure the Short Colt is visibly shorter but we are talking about .39 of an inch and I just don’t think it is going to make a vast difference in that minuscule amount of time that the bullet is in the cylinder making it’s way towards the throat.

The plan is to load the same projectile over the same sort (but not amount) of powder and the same kind of primer but in the appropriate cases for each cartridge.  I’ll use a .38 Short Colt and .38 Special for the test.  Each one will be fired at 15, 25 and 50 yards from sandbags.  Each load will be using published data.  According to the manuals these loads should yield similar velocities from each of the 2 different loaded rounds.

S&W 686 6″ bbl

The gun I am using in the test is a no dash S&W 686.  It is an awesome gun but it does have that factory front ramped sight that I have a hard time seeing (this marks the end of the excuse making section).  The 686 has had an action job and has been cut for full moon clips.  For this test I did not use the moon clips.

First up I tried a batch of .38 Specials loaded into Starline Brass and topped with an Armscor 158gr fmj.  I set my target at 15 yards and shot the gun from sandbags.  After the shooting was done I had a 2” group with a flier.  Without the flier it was 1.5”.  Then I loaded the 686 with 38 Short Colts and fired 6 rounds at 15 yards.  This time I had ANOTHER FLIER that bumped my group size up to 2.5” but without that flier I had a nice 5 shot group inside of 1.5”.  I also notice that at all distances my Short Colt rounds did string sort of diagonally whereas the Specials were more of a cluster.

At 25 yards the 686 kept all 6 of the .38 Specials in a nice 2” group with no fliers.  The .38 Short Colts, or the guy pulling the trigger, fell a bit short here and came in with a group of about 3.25” with a lot of diagonal stringing.  This is still well within the A zone of the USPSA target I was using but the stringing may be due to the “bullet jump” from the .38 Short Colt cases.  At least there were no signs, at any distance, of key holing or other deleterious results.

50 yards is where the “bullet jump” crowd seems to feel that the Short Colt will reveal its weakness.  I hate to tell you that for me, on this trip to the range, it didn’t happen.  At 50 yards with my crummy eyesight and the hard to see factory front sight (please refer to paragraph 4, sentence 2 for my excuse making section), the 38 specials went into a 6” group.  At that distance I can’t really call anything a flier.  I’m sure better shooters than I could shrink that group with the same gun and ammo but I think I’m seeing the results I want from this.  Then I shot the .38 Short Colts at 50 yards and had to chuckle.  I got a 5” group with 5 of the shots in or touching the A zone.  I don’t think “bullet jump” is hurting me on that one.

So a couple of hours at the range and a little time at the reloading bench and I have the answer that I was looking for.  If I’m not hitting what I’m aiming at I can’t blame “bullet jump.”  Maybe the “trigger nut” is to blame?

One final note, I did drag the chronograph to the range just to make sure I was comparing apples to apples velocity wise.  I didn’t record the data but both cartridges made USPSA minor with a little room to spare.  Now, from looking at those pictures I need to adjust my rear sight just a smidgen.  I’m also getting some unburned powder in the .38 Special (note the suet on the fired cartridge in the picture up above) so I’ll have to work on that too.  Oh well, that’ll have to happen on the next trip out.

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Are Pistol Caliber Carbines Shooting “Rifle Like” Velocities?

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I’ve read a plethora of arguments on internet forums regarding USPSA’s adoption of Pistol Caliber Carbines (PCC) in their matches.  Just to be clear we are not talking about Multi-Gun matches here.  We are talking about the standard “pistol” matches.  The quotes around “pistol” are there because the “P” in USPSA doesn’t stand for “pistol” it stands for “practical” and I know that more than a few people got kind of hung up on that.  Whichever way you fell in those debates the fact is that PCC is here, though some clubs are not allowing it as of yet.  I, for one, was in favor of the change.  I mean what’s not to love about a gun that holds 30+ rounds, has little felt recoil, and is capable of hitting targets pretty easily out to 100 yards or more?

Well some people have found things they don’t like in that scenario with velocity of the bullets being one of them.  I read a comment from a long time competitor, and NROI certified official, that he was concerned about the “rifle like velocities” of these PCC guns.  I am not trying to single him out because he isn’t the only one and I guess that for some people it seems logical to assume that there is a large increase in velocity.  I’ve read numerous posts in which someone believes that shooting a 9mm out of a carbine will see dramatic increases in velocity.  I wanted to dispel that notion so I headed to the range with some guns, ammo, and a chronograph.

While I was packing for the range it occurred to me that I needed something with a bit more oomph than my 9mm steel loads so I also packed an open gun that I happen to have around.  It is in .38 Super Comp and I thought it would make a nice contrast to the 9mm steel loads I had made. The gun was built on a Strayer-Voigt Inc. frame and, while it may be an old gun, it still runs USPSA major power factor loads as well as it did when it was new.

I also brought along a Springfield Armory XD(M) 5.25” in 9mm, which is my go to gun for steel matches.  I knew going into this that the ammo I am shooting out of this gun MIGHT, just maybe, be making USPSA minor.  Even though it’s a steel load I do like to make sure those knockdown targets go down.  The gun itself is fairly stock with the exception of a Powder River trigger kit and a Pistol Gear magwell.

The final piece of the puzzle is the Pistol Caliber Carbine.  I built this one myself using a Palmetto State Armory lower that takes Colt style 9mm magazines.  These magazines are basically a modified Uzi mag that holds 32 rounds of 9mm.  It also has the PSA Hybrid Bolt Carrier and a Wilson 1:10 barrel.  Hogue furniture and a POF-USA drop in trigger, both generously donated to matches I attended, round out the rifle build.

The ammunition for the 9mm pistol and carbine used a 124gr fmj from Armscor, Federal small pistol primers and once fired brass.  The 38 Super open gun used a 115gr fmj from Montana Gold, Winchester small rifle primers, and new Starline 38 Super Comp brass.

xdm5.25Once I found a spot at the range I set up my CED chronograph and did a little shooting.  First up was the XD(M) 5.25″ in 9mm.  Three shots averaged 1027 fps.  Not exactly cooking but plenty fast enough for steel matches that don’t have a power factor.



xdm 5.25Since we are talking power factor I ran the numbers on that and came up with a 127 power factor.  Not too far over the minimum power floor for USPSA minor but it will definitely make it.
Next up we take a look at that 9mm Pistol Caliber Carbine and see how much, if any, increase in velocity we see.


PCC 9mmThree shots with the PCC came in at 987 fps. Wait, what’s that, 987 fps?  But that is slower than the XD(M) 5.25″?  How can that be?  Well in all seriousness there are several factors at play here.  The bore on the PCC could be tighter, looser, rifled differently, etc… so there are variables.  Chamber dimensions could also come into play.


I’m sure they are both SAAMI spec chambers but, who knows, they could be on PCC 9mmdifferent ends of the specs.  Barrel length could certainly play a role in this as well.  A hotter load may have shifted the results the other way.  Either way, in the end, the carbine was throwing that load downrange 40 fps slower than the pistol.  Which leaves me with some work to do at the reloading bench.  122 power factor is NOT going to cut it.  I will definitely have to check the manual and see how much more powder I can stuff in there to get the speed up.

svi-open1-1The final act of this PCC story is the open gun.  I knew going into this that the SVI would be fast and loud but I had never shot this particular gun.  It belongs to a friend who has often offered me the use of it but, until now, I had always declined.  I’ve owned, and shot, open guns many times but the concussive force they emit, along with the extremely loud report, is always a bit of a surprise when I fire that first shot after so long away from one.

The three shot average  came in at 1511 fps for a power factor of 173.7.  Plenty of room tosvi-open2-2
comfortably make USPSA’s 165 major power factor. Also around 500 fps faster than either the PCC or the XD(M).  Does the open gun have “rifle like” velocity? No, not really.  1500 fps is nothing to sneeze at but it is more like .357 magnum velocity instead of say 30-30 velocity.  To get there we would need to speed things up to well over 2000 fps and I don’t think anyone is interested in that except, of course, 3-gun competitors who are ACTUALLY shooting a rifle and not an overgrown pistol.

So, I think it is safe to say that “rifle like” velocity is definitely off the list of complaints you can make about PCC.  I’ve heard other complaints but I don’t want to get into them in this article.  I will say that ALL competitors need to keep the rules of safe gun handling in mind at ALL times.  Just because your rifle is slung it does not become a “dead stick” as some would put it.  Respect everyone around you and lets all try to have a good time at the range.




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